Lody Eshe

Interviewed by Care Doyle

December 17, 2003

Transcribed by Diana Copsey Adams

Ok, We’re ready to go. It’s been a complicated start, but this is Karen Doyle and I am here with Lody, and is it Eshe? Is that right?

Eshe

Eshe

Well, that’s what we say.

I’ve heard it pronounced several different ways. Some pronounce it Eshe.

Yes, they do. Other people have but we’ve al . . . . . the Eshes said Eshe so we said Eshe.

Let’s see it is December 17, 2003 and we’re in Lakewood in Lody's apartment. There is a Christmas tree sitting next to us and I guess I want to start by asking how your family got to Colorado?  Where was the first kind of influence of Colorado? You mentioned homesteading, so that seems to go way back.

My mother’s father is supposed to have been the first white child born in Colorado.

What’s his name?

Young, Emory Young. Y-O-U-N-G. And my Uncle was treasurer in Park County many years ago. His name was William. Then my Father’s father came to Park County, well he came to Denver and they only had a quarter between them, he and his brother and they ended up in South Park and homesteaded our ranch and then the other ranch that is up there.

And we are looking at a picture on the wall, a beautiful photograph of the ranch. How did they know about ranching? Had they worked? Where did they come from that they knew . . .

They had no idea; they came from Ohio, from Cincinnati. But at that time they could come up there and they had to clear the land in some instances. Not necessarily trees but bogs. There were a lot of bogs in that area. And they made the meadow and the ranch land.

And this is right near Jefferson. How close are we talking to that highway there?

Oh we’re talking four miles from the little town of Jefferson. Between Jefferson and Como. And there is a school up there on the ranch that was called the Freemont School that was built by the ranchers around there for their children to go to school

Oh, when would they have homesteaded that? Do you know the year around the time?

No, not exactly but it was about 1870 something or early eighties. Maybe even earlier than that but I just don’t have the records. I did a DAR research but not on this grandfather who settled in Jefferson.

OK, OK. So what happened with that family? Can you tell me about how the ranch went?

Well, my grandfather ranched and my father inherited the ranch.

Ok, What was your Dad’s name?

Walter Schattinger.

And that’s a famous name around there.

Yes, it’s been there a long time. And then Dare Schattinger was my brother and then my family, I married into the Esche family and that is where my name comes from, my maiden or my married name.

OK, can you tell me about the Schattinger ranch, just that has such a big name around there.

Well, I think it started out at 360 acres.

(Phone rings)

OK I started again I think we’re good. We had a phone call so we did great. You were talking about the Schattingers.

I told you about Peter Schattinger homesteaded the ranch, that was my grandfather.

Now wait, there was the Youngs.

LE: Well now, the Youngs are my maternal (grand) parents who had nothing to do with the ranch. The Schattingers are the people who had the ranch.

OK and the grandfather was Peter?

Peter.

And how did he end up?

Well, he’s buried up in Como. All of my family is buried up there. My grandfather Schattinger and grandmother Schattinger and then my father and mother.

And what was your grandmother’s name.

Lillian Young.

OK, and so they ranched. Can you tell me what their life was like? Did they tell you anything?

Oh, well, my grandfather told some stories but he sang to us a lot and he made up stories so I would be inclined to not verify all of the stories he told us

Was he a good singer?

Oh, they all sang, everybody sang when we went any place in the car we had no radio so we all sang.

Well, not right at this moment but I can surely give you a paper with all of them

Oh, that would be fun. I can just think of some of the old ones that my family sang like “Old Suzanna” or, oh, well, you know.

Oh, we had some of that kind. And we had a Victrola or phonograph and we always had fairly recent records and they kept up with the modern things of that day.

OK, so you grandparents were on the ranch. Did you spend a lot of time there?

Well, yes, until time to go to school. Then my folks bought a house in Jefferson so we kids could live in Jefferson to go to school. And then we would go back up to the ranch in the spring when they irrigated and fixed the ranch.

If you’ll shut this off I’ll get that drapery closed.

OK, we’re back on tape.  OK, so when you were little your first years were out at the ranch.

Yes.

What was it like? Tell me as a little girl what was it like?

I can’t say anything that wasn’t pleasant because I didn’t know anything but that. And it was, I just loved it. We kids played in the yard and in the barns and drove our kiddy cars up on the roof of the barn for goodness sake.

What are kiddy cars?

Little wooden kiddy cars, you know, like a tricycle.

OK. You drove them off the roof?

Yes, into the manure pile. (Laughter)

And we could carry those silly tricycles back up on the edge of the logs to get up on the roof and then come on down. So we had kind of a reckless life.

Who were you playing with?

My brother and , , ,

Dare? Your brother?

Dare and my sister Ruth and then I had, there were some other people who lived on another ranch which we ultimately owned

And who was that family?

Greenwells.

OK, I’m not familiar with that name.

Well there was Ed and Ray Greenwell who homesteaded kind of at the same time my grandfather did but I didn’t know those people.

They moved away? But they had kids your age who would come play?

Some of, no they were older . . .

OK.

But they would come down the way ranchers sort of visit that was the sort of thing.

Now were kids expected to do any chores? Did you have to help work at all?

Well, when we started cooking for the hay hands I got introduced to washing dishes and peeling potatoes and things like that. But we didn’t have to work.

That was more in the fall when you had hay season?

That’s when we had the haying. But as growing up, no, I didn’t have anything to do but just play.

Now, what about winter things to do, was there, did they have skiing then that you guys did there?

No, we wore overshoes and that type of thing if we went outside to play. But I don’t think we did much playing in the heavy part of the winter.

Ice skating or sledding? Somehow I was thinking of kids telling me about a skating pond.

Well, we used to have skating parties after we moved into Jefferson. But you asked about the ranch.

OK, ‘cause you were kind of isolated there weren’t . . .

Yes. And then when we moved into town we did have skating parties every night or two. We would gather tires all summer long so we could burn them on the fire for our skating parties and we all smelled like burned rubber tires.

Who were your friends then? Who did you play with in town? Who lived there?

Oh, well there was Sanburn kids and the Wright boys and Florence and Jim Head and Jeannie and,

That’s Jean Head Howie that we talked about earlier

Yes, but there weren’t that many kids in school or in town at that time

What was school like?

We just had reading and writing and arithmetic and as I progressed, I was pretty much the oldest at that time, and as I progressed  then I could hear the first graders read and the second graders, that type of thing.

So you would kind of help them, the older kids would help them?

I helped the teachers, uh huh, because they didn’t have that much. They had a lot of kids and a lot of grades but no help.

OK, was this a one room school?

A one-room school in Jefferson which is now our church or community church. Then we built a hall so we could play basketball and we had good girl teams and good boy teams but the girls would have to play boys rules to practice and then the boys would have to play girls rules to practice. There were differences in the rules and the boy’s rules were much more fun.

That’s funny because Marie Chisholm was just telling me that.

Who was?

Marie Chisholm was just telling me about the different rules. She didn’t like that so much.

It was terrible. You know you had a three-court system and the ball had to go from the forward court to the center court to the guard court or wherever the ball was supposed to be, you had to pass it through the center court. I was short, not very tall, and you had to be kind of tall to play basketball and I was the little running center and I tell you, you went from one end to the other.

I didn’t ask you, when were you born?

1916. January 8, 1916.

OK so you have a birthday coming up

Um hum.

So when you were in the Jefferson school, trying to get the time ‘cause it seems like the sports kind of for girls changed before the war and after the war. I get kind of different stories from people.

Well, see I wasn’t there during the war. My husband and I were in Los Angeles and I wasn’t playing basketball so I don’t know just when the rules changed.

So this would have been in the twenties and early thirties?

No, in the early forties. I was in the first grade in the twenties.

At the Jefferson school? OK.

And then I graduated from high school in 1934.

OK.

Then I went to Barnes Business College and graduated from Barnes in, oh, my goodness, I don’t remember. 1937 I think.

Where was Barnes?

Barnes was a business school in Denver and I came to Denver and went to Barnes Business School. And they always placed people for employment after they had finished school. So . . .

So did you get placed?

Oh, I was placed in the first job was in a garage and I didn’t like that at all and so I found my own job after that and then I went back up and was to Jefferson and was the assistant director of welfare and the old age pension and Social Security came out.

Oh, tell me about that. That must have been a pretty big deal.

Well, it was kind of fun. We had to go down to meet the people, down in Elkhorn and Hartsell and Garo and Duffy.

You mean people signing up for the program?

Where they were signing up for old age pension and Social Security.

Oh … and what were there qualifications they had to have or what did they . . .?

Oh, they had to be a certain age and then I think there was a financial background of how much money they had made in previous years. Primarily I think we did what you are doing, researched their history so we could have it on record for the Social Security and old age pension.

So, where was your office located?

Well, it was in Fairplay. The first one was in what I think is now a bar or a restaurant and then they built the white building, I don’t know whether it is still white. It had an upstairs and that is where our welfare and Social Security offices were and there were some other offices downstairs participating in the county.

What street was that on, do you remember?

I have no idea, I don’t know if the streets were even named at that time.

What year would this have been, do you remember?

Oh, ‘35 and ‘36; ‘34 was when they began the Social Security and old age pension.

And this was a job that you found  . . .

Well, they had a real director and then I was assistant director.

Who was the director then?

LE: I can’t - Barcelmae? I can’t tell you his first name.

What was Fairplay like then?

Just about like it is now.

Yeah?

There hasn’t been a whole lot, well . . . there are some more houses up Beaver Creek and up Sacramento and that area but in town there weren’t that many

Do you remember where you got groceries or what, where…

Ascott was the grocer and Prokoff.

OK.

And we did most of our grocery shopping there. It was kind of on a daily basis. It was sort of a meeting place. Can you shut that off. I’ll go get a drink of water.

OK, we’re back, we’re talking about Fairplay.

My husband and I lived in what was called Gees’ house, up on the hill going up Beaver Creek I think. It is a white house but it looks like it is in disrepair right now. It was quite a large house and we had kind of a basement apartment.

You don’t remember who owned it?

Yes, Mr. Gee, I can’t, he was an attorney. I think maybe he was our District Attorney.

Do you remember what you paid for rent?

Fifteen dollars

CD: $15 dollars a month?

Um hum.

We’re kind of jumping around because, let’s see, who were you married to?

Who was I married to?

CD: Who were you married to? Yes, because you just mentioned your husband and we didn’t talk . . .

Richard Eshe.

OK, tell me about Richard, how did you meet him?

I guess I just knew him from ever, from school you know. And then his father worked for my grandfather. You know I told you about the Eshes getting into Park County and Frank had worked for my grandfather and he was married to Swanee Hymer whose parents lived up there, no they lived more in Tiny Town, but when she and Frank were married they lived in Como, at the Eight Mile Ranch if you know where that is.

The Eight Mile Ranch, that was there was the Eshes lived?

That was their ranch.

So when you say you went to school with him was that at the Jefferson school?

No, Como had their own school and Jefferson had their school and we just met for basketball games and school parties and that sort of thing.

So he was in Como at the school. OK and were you about the same age.

He was three years older than I.

And so, when did you first go out?

Well, on my 16^th birthday my parents finally  decided I was old enough to go out and I went out with Richard.

And, had he asked you for your birthday?

Oh, no. No, we were kids growing up, you know. We were good dancers and we danced together a lot so that had something to do with it.

So what did you do for your sixteenth birthday?

They had a birthday party. Cake and ice cream and blindfolded games, you know. That type of thing.

At your house was this at the ranch?

No, at mother and  daddy’s house in Jefferson.

In Jefferson. OK, where was the house?

It’s still there, it is about a block from the school, the school house. And two houses back of the grocery store. So that will tell you how small it was.

Tell me what the house was like.

It was two bedrooms and a living room and dining room like this and it was, I mean, in size it was about this size, the living room and dining room, we used to feed the hay hands there after we left the ranch so it was a pretty good size.

Two bedrooms but you say there were three kids, there were three of you?

Right, two girls and a boy.

So how did the rooms work? Did you and your sister share a room, I’m guessing? And then where did your brother stay?

He stayed with neighbors next door who had a spare bedroom and he could just go into the bedroom from the outside.

OK, who was the oldest?

I’m the oldest

You’re the oldest.

Dare was born in, I was born in 1916 and he was born in February of 1917 and my sister was born in July of 1918.

OK, all right in a row, all in a row you guys were.

Um hum.

And what did your folks do when you were little, what were your parents doing?

I don’t know. My Dad lived on the ranch and my Mother’s parents lived in Pueblo and Wyoming and she went to school in Wyoming for two or three years and came back and went to school in Pueblo. She was a telephone operator when she was very young. Oh, I think they probably started about 15 or 16 years old.

Working? And that would have been in Pueblo?

Um hum.

OK and that family name again was, she was the…

Young.

The Young family. And then your Dad was raised on the ranch, Schattinger ranch. And when you were growing up he was still helping the folks, that was the family business.

Well, he was buying the ranch from grandfather and then grandfather bought another ranch kind of over at the foot of Kenosha and we called that the Baker place, I think they must have purchased it from Baker’s but I don’t know for sure.

Can you tell me what they had on the ranch? I’m guessing that they raised cattle?

Oh, some cattle and horses and hay. Just a typical South Park ranch, no sheep, we didn’t have any sheep.

I guess I’m asking about that just because you know how much it has changed and so for like your kids understand a normal ranch I’m not sure they will know what a normal ranch is like in the South Park. What was that?

Almost what it is now. It hasn’t changed that much.

OK. You were raising hay. Where was it sold to? Do you know where they sold the hay?

Well, we sold ours to the stock yards.

In Denver?

In Denver. And it went down on the train for a long time and then Daddy bought trucks and he hauled the hay and sold it and added the freight to it. That was additional income.

OK. And is that how the big family trucking business got started. I’m told there is a whole family trucking business.

Well, that’s what the Schattinger part was. Then Richard and I were married and went to Los Angeles during the war.

When were you married? How old were you?

I was twenty one or two, I was married in 1937, August 19, 1937.

Where did you get married?

In Mother’s and Dad’s house in Jefferson.

Who was there, who did you invite?

Oh, the whole town. You don’t . . .

You have to, that’s what you’re saying?

You have to have everybody. And so, I don’t know, there were probably fifty people and we had a reception, they didn’t have weddings at that time. Kids ran away and got married.

I’ve had a lot of people who told me they got married in (New) Mexico and I wondered why.

Went to Mexico?

Went to New Mexico to get married  . . .

I think maybe that was true.

But you got married right there? Who married you?

What?

Who married you?

No, but he was late getting to the wedding and I thought somebody paid him off you know.  (Laughter)  No, I can’t tell you what his name .

Would it be someone from the church or would it be more like a Justice of the Peace?

No, he was from the church. What was the church at Jefferson at that time.

OK.

But he got there, finally got there. And then they had the reception in that little hall, where the town hall is now but it was a different building then. And then we went on a honeymoon down to Gunnison and Durango.

Did you go camping or did you stay at hotels?

No, we stayed in hotels. My goodness, that was the first wedding that had been in Jefferson in years so it was kind of different.

Uh huh. It sounds nice. And then, what did you do? What kind of work were you doing?

My husband was working at the South London mine and then . . .

What did he do there?

He worked on the sorting belt. He sorted the good ore from the bad ore but I don’t know much more about it than that.

Did he tell you much about the South London, what it was like or?

I’ve been in the South London.

Tell me about it.

God’s sakes, it’s a hole in the ground with shafts.

It doesn’t sound very romantic. (Laughter)

LE: Goodness no! There’s nothing to tell you the South London mine.

No?

Nothing historical.

Did he like the work?

Well, you worked where you could get a job and get paid so you didn’t necessarily like it and he was working for the C&S Railroad in Denver and then while he was doing that he was hired  in Los Angeles and then he moved from Denver to Jefferson to Los Angeles.

That must have been a huge change?

It was a change.

Did you like it?

Not really. But you know, you live in a small community like Jefferson and then go to Los Angeles it seemed a forever thing.

Kind of scary and exciting. It would be.

What?

Kind of scary and exciting, both.

Well, we didn’t get our car out there for, oh, six or eight weeks. And after I got my car I did a lot of things. I would go to the ocean and the beach and take Janice and that type of things.

Janice, was that you first . . .

That’s my daughter.

OK, how old was she then? When did you have Janice?

Oh, she was about three, two and a half, about three.

Did you have her in Jefferson or when you got to Los Angeles?

Well, she was born in…

More company.

(After break) OK Lody’s got a busy life here. We’re stopping the tapes. We were talking I think when Janice was born you were out in Los Angeles and I was trying to clarify.

No, Janice was born in Greeley.

Oh, in Greeley.

In Greeley. And then we went to Los Angeles when she was about two years old.

I missed when you were living in Greeley.

We didn’t live there. My uncle was my doctor and he was in Greeley so I went up there to have my baby.

What was your uncle’s name?

Haskill, Earl Haskill.

And was he close to the family?

No, not really

But he was a doctor. So Janice was born in Greeley? But you were living still in Jefferson at that time?

Um hum.

And then you headed out to Los Angeles?

And then we went to Los Angeles.

What was life like there?

Awful. Richard worked long hours on the railroad and we settled in a Jewish community and I didn’t, wasn’t familiar with Jewish people and I wasn’t familiar with their accent so I really had kind of a hard time getting acquainted, but they were very good to me and we were just across the street from Seventh Day Adventist hospital and I used to go over there and roll bandages and things for the war effort.

OK. How did the war change things. You were volunteering. Did it change other things was it hard to get supplies for you? Did you, was it?

If you had the food stamps you were fine. And we had to have unlimited gasoline because gasoline was rationed and we had unlimited gasoline because Richard was on the railroad and had to get that. So I could take people anywhere I could go. And I was not about to stay there and not learn what it was all about or not drive in the Los Angeles traffic or anything. I just went.

So you went exploring? And besides the beach where else did you go? You went to the beach, where else did you go?

Oh, we went to Santa Monica and Richard worked in San Diego and San Bernardino. We Stayed in San Bernardino for about six weeks when we first got, no, not San Bernardino, well that will do for a bit of work but that is not where it was, we were down on the ocean. Oceanside is where we were. And I like that, so that was better.

Sounds like quite an adventure. So what happened from there, where did you go after Los Angeles. Did you stay there a long time?

No, well we stayed there for eight or, oh in that area, for eight or ten years and then came back to Colorado and bought South Park Motor Lines.

What brought you back?

Well, my husband was color blind. During the war it didn’t make any difference but after the war was over they sort of changed some rules and regulations. New presidents. New departments of transportation that sort of thing.

So he had to look for some different work.

Yes, so we came out and bought the truck line.

Why the truck line?

Well, because we knew transportation.

OK.

And it was available.

So where did you settle then?

In Denver.

What kind of neighborhood, tell me where you settled in Denver?

Eastern part of Denver. And then we moved to (?) community out, oh, I can’t think of it

That’s OK, it will come back. I’m asking you so many different things. Now we talked about Janice. Were there other kids coming along at that time?

I only had two.

Two kids, OK.

Had Janice and Rick.

When was Rick born?

He was born in 1942, ‘43.

So you were probably still out in Colorado at that time?

No, we were here.

You were back here already.

Well no.

Thinking from when the war ended.

That was in the forties and fifties. Rick was born in 1952.

OK, ‘52, so you would have been back. What was Denver like then?

Just like it is now or very similar.

Hum?

There hasn’t been any big change. I’m 88, but in so far as there being any big change in your standard of living or the way you lived, or the things you did there it has not been that different.

Hum, that surprises me.

Why?

That you’d say that. Oh, because most people seem to think that the growth is kind of overwhelming here and this doesn’t seem to faze you one little bit.

Not one bit. Well, if you live in Los Angeles and Alhambra, and South Pasadena for ten years the change in Jefferson is miniscule.

That’s probably true. (Laughter) Let’s see, do you have grandkids, you must ‘cause I’m seeing pictures all over of little ones.

I have, there’s a picture of my husband there’s Dick and John and Dick and John and their mother and this is Suzanne.

OK. Now Dick and John were?

My daughter’s sons.

OK. And then does your son have kids also?

He has Suzanne.

Suzanne? OK. Just checking. Tell me what your husband was like. I didn’t get to meet him. Tell me about him.

Well…

He sounds like a hard worker.

Yes, and he looked like, my son looks like him. And he died when we had the truck line and I just went on with the truck line and bought other trucks lines.

And how on earth did you know what to do with the truck line? Was this a business you did together?

No, if I needed to learn something  I learned it. I got a degree in transportation in Opportunity School and I went there at night.

When was this?

Here in Denver.

What kind of year, do you remember when this was?

You’re making me go back, way…

You don’t have to remember. Now, was your husband, already passed away when you did this or was this when he was alive?

Well he was still living and then …

What was Opportunity School?

What?

Is that just the name of the school or is that a type of school?

The Opportunity School was a school organized by a single lady who found the lack of education in young people and so she organized a school and got kids going.

How neat. Is that kind of like a technical school?

Well, I took the business end of it. I took the accounting and the billing and the typing and the shorthand and all that sort of thing.

OK. And you learned about transportation.

Well, I was in transportation when I did that.

OK.

And I attended everything they had with it. And you learned quickly when you were under the supervision of the public utilities and the interstate commerce commission. You had reams of things that you had to learn.

So did you and your husband run the business together?

Um hum. And then I also worked for other companies and managed their companies and did yours at night. It was, a learning experience that’s for sure.

This is while the kids were growing up. You folks were running the trucking company. OK. What kind of personality did your husband have? Was he quiet or outgoing or what was he like, what kind of guy?

No, he was, well, he was outgoing with the customers up in the Fairplay area, but he wouldn’t do much with working with people in Denver or driving tractors and trailers or anything. He wouldn’t have a thing to do with that. He would drive  the bobtails or the small trucks and he would deliver the freight but he didn’t like all the other things.

OK. And who were the customers up in Jefferson area, when you talk about the customers up there, who would they be?

Like, who the people are now? That’s the same people?

Grocery store or ranches or?

What’s in Jefferson? There’s not a darn thing but the grocery store and the filling station. So that’s who we delivered to in Jefferson. We did the same thing in Como. We did the same thing in Fairplay. The whole county, Park County, has not developed the way people say it has developed not the way I know development and having worked with it.

You mean in terms of like business opportunities.

Yes, and, well, you could. Well, I just can’t explain it to you. It has not grown, there is not much to elaborate.

You mean kind of like economic development are you referring to mostly?

That’s what you’re referring to.  Uh, . . . well it was ranches, just as it is now. And of course there has been some housing development up on Michigan hill and some of those things but there has been no gross development.

Why do you think?

Well would you want to live in South Park You may want to erase some of this because it is getting pretty damn . . .

Well I think it’s honest. I’ve heard that from other folks particularly around Jefferson for some reason more so than I’ve heard in other towns up there.

What do you hear around Garo and Hartsel, and Elkhorn?

See, I haven’t talked to folks around there.

Tarryall, it isn’t there.

So you think it is more like lifestyle.  Not, it’s not politics it isn’t …

No it is none of those things. People go up there and live in the summertime but they drive back and forth to Denver or wherever they are working.

It is a lot tougher I think a life than people realize.

Oh, heavens yes. You know.

What would you like your grandkids to know about life when you were growing up there?

Well, they know how we went to school, they know how we lived at the ranch. They go up there and do the same things we’re doing right now. There has not been that kind of change.

Did you ride horses up there?

I think I said we had horses and we had burros and we had buggies and we did those kind of things in the summer time. We roller skated, ice skated in the winter time. And then we just grew up.

Did you travel much? Did you come to the city very often or did you pretty much  just stay?. . .

Oh no, we came to town frequently and I was going to school down here and I would, Daddy would come with a load of hay and I would come home for the weekend. And Richard was working at the mine and he would bring me back down to Denver, so it was. I keep telling you it was not an exciting period. I don’t know what more I can say.

That’s fine. Was money ever an issue or was your family OK? I mean you had enough food and you could get clothing and medical care.

We had no problems, we had the same problems everybody had. There was a depression and we bought groceries in Denver and we cooked for hay hands as I have explained.

Where did the hay hands come from?

All over, Denver, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas.

So did they travel in groups to get this work?

You may have picked them up, I can’t even tell you. Most of them were people, neighbors who had worked for us in years before, that sort of thing.

Holidays, what did you do for the holidays?

Just what we’re doing now. We celebrated. We had Christmas trees. We went out and cut our own Christmas trees and that to me was a greater part of Christmas and we opened our Christmas gifts just like we do now, I’m telling you there is no change.

(Laughter) I’m just trying to get what your family traditions were.

Well we did just what I’m telling you.

Did you take the buggy out to go get the Christmas tree? Or did you take horses or did you hike somewhere on the ranch?

No, we had trucks. We went in trucks up to the ranch. This tree came from the ranch.

OK, it’s beautiful. And then did other relatives come to visit you at the ranch or was it more of a small family gathering.

It was a community gathering.

OK Lody, thank you so much  for taking this time with me today. I really appreciate it and I enjoyed learning a little more about your family  and thank you so much.

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